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Thoughts on Emulation on Nintendo Revolution

This last week I was inspired to break my 8-bit NES gear out of cryogenic hibernation and play some classic old school games without any emulation or ports to modern hardware. Call me a freak but no matter how advanced game system gets I will never get totally bored with the NES era games. I think a lot of them hold up pretty good over the years and most of the Java based cellphone games are not technically more advanced than what we played in our NES decks back in the 80s.

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Nintendo has been making lots of money recently off repackaging older NES games on the Gameboy Advance or a special edition disk of Zelda games for Gamecube.

Nintendo announced at E3 that their next game console the Nintendo Revolution will be able to play downloaded classic games for the NES, Super NES and N-64 from half a gig of flash memory or a SD memory card through emulation in a virtual console. That is not to shabby since it will also play Gamecube disks and new Nintendo Revolution games and DVDs. They also might include the ability to play Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance games through the virtual console but that has not been confirmed but it is entirely technically feasible. The awesome thing about this is that this is through software and there will not be any special chips to pull this off so it will not add to the cost of the Nintendo Revolution console. They announced that the games will be encrypted and tied to the Revolution console that they were downloaded over or first played on. I can live with a light DRM to prevent unauthorized reproduction of games since the entire profit of the game market is off game sales.

They have not announced anything yet but I am willing to bet all the games in Akihabara than there will be an online classic games store sort of like the Apple iTunes music store. Most likely we will either set up an account with Nintendo and pay with a credit card or set up a game allowance account. They might sell pre-paid cards with game characters with credits for game downloads. The game would be downloaded to the console via the net or off a disk and it would be encrypted and tied to that particular game console. One has to speculate how much they will charge but what if they charged $1 for a NES game, $3 for a SNES game and $5 for a N-64 game. The brilliant thing is that it will not really cost them anything since you are paying for your own internet connection and the games will not require any new game developers since it is through emulation of the classic hardware. They don't have to make any cartridges and physically ship them to you so these downloaded games could be pure profit. The idea of being able to play any NES game on modern hardware is slick. I love emulators on my computers and I think that NesterDC the NES emulator for Sega Dreamcast is righteous.

Nintendo Famicom With DiskDriveThis is sort of the logical evolution at non cartridge game delivery systems that Nintendo has tried. Back in the 80s they sold an external floppy disk system for the 8bit Famicom. Disk games were cheaper than cartridge version and they had diskette vending machines but they were limited in graphical capacity since Nintendo started including extra memory and graphic processors in later game carts. The floppy disk was never brought out for the NES outside of Japan. They tried a satellite TV game network in Japan for the Super Famicom but that did not take off. I am still waiting for the Sony made CD-ROM drive for my Super Nintendo. There was the N-64 DD in for the Nintendo64 in Japan. It was a Zip Disk like removable magnetic disk for the N-64. There is the iQue in China that is a dedicated emulator for NES, SNES and N-64 games via a downloaded and encrypted memory stick.

I am sure that there will still be demand for Revolution games but it is super slick that Nintendo is embracing their past. I am 27 now and the kids that will get the Nintendo Revolution as their first system will never remember a time before PS2 and DVDs. Now if you will excuse me I have 8bit turtles to stomp and a princess to rescue.

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Yeah, I like the idea as well.

It is still undecided what games (all first party from Nintendo will be on the server) from third party publishers will be available.

Pricing has yet to be determined.

I've also read that the "classic" games could get a "face lifting" in the form of content/graphics - which I don't like because I want the original classic games without some "cool" updates.

Posted by: Jim at July 29, 2005 2:53 AM

oh and by the way: hope they release BIONIC COMMANDO *uncensored* if you catch my drift - head explodey ahoy!

Posted by: Jim at July 29, 2005 2:54 AM

I love the idea of emulated games on the Revolution as much as anyone else, and I know that I'll probably buy one shortly after they are released.

But.

Call me a heretic because I really think that Nintendo is done in the console market. I'm not joking, I'm completely serious.

Their sales have dropped to a serious low and the games they put out just aren't that good. I own a GameCube and the only really good game that I've played on it was Resident Evil 4 which wasn't developed by Nintendo.

Take the Starfox game for the GC for example. It's not very good at all. Nintendo should kinda shy away from the whole "kid" thing and try making some decent "adult" games. I'm hoping that Geist will be that type of game.

Honestly though, I would not be surprised if after the Revolution is released, Nintedo will stop making consoles. I feel that the Revolution will be the last of the Nintendo consoles. Their handheld business is still booming and the DS is doing aight in sales. I have no doubt that the GBA micro will fly off the shelves - it'll probably be the catalyst that causes me to finally buy a GBA.

But like I said, I'll buy a Revolution if only because of a cheap selling price and the promise of playing all of my favorite NES/SNES/N64 games.

Now, I'd pay double if they actually put Mohawk And Headphone Jack on the list of emu games!

Posted by: snortin_php at July 29, 2005 5:46 AM

I was a little uneasy when I heard they will probably charge for the games. You know they aren't going to charge $1 for an NES game. Look at the GBA ports. $20 for ONE game?? Unacceptable.

You know they are going to charge based on the popularity of the game and they are going to be in the 9.99 area.

I think my decision on the Revolution is resting with the controller right now, though. If they come out with a stupid touch screen piece of shit, I'll kiss that goodbye. I hate that touch screen crap. This gyroscope stuff is also annoying. What if I want to lay in bed while I play? If the controller isn't flat I'll keep going up or whatever. Stupid is you ask me. What's wrong with a few buttons and a joystick??

Posted by: Shawn at July 29, 2005 7:55 AM

@snortin_php

I think you have a lot of valid points.

But! ;-)

Nintendo is a very profitable company, whereas Sony and MS burn money on hardware and marketing, Nintendo pockets fistfulls of money.

Do be fooled Nintendo Gamecube sold (worldwide) almost as good as Xbox - roughly 20+ million units shipped.

The handheld market is stronger than ever - and despite PSP Nintendo is the king of the hill.

I understand what you say about Nintendo - after SEGA quit the hardware market I feared for Nintendo do become an "software-only" company. Yet, I realized that Nintendo has some strong points, that secured them in the video games market so secure that they almost have nothing to do but TO DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

a) strong franchises
you know I bought Cube because I wanted to play ZELDA (and Resident Evil Remakes ...) ;-)

b) they make money - A LOT OF MONEY
and they could continue to release cheap hardware with decent looking games for a profit.

c) they will milk their old games
I want the next-gen Nintendo console because I would love to play old "classic" Nintendo games and I want to play the next-gen ZELDA.

d) they have their niche
Nintendo has its market niche and a strong fan base.

e) the will go their own way
with people like Miyamoto etc. they will be in the business for every ;-)

and finally:
they are spot-on with their decisions:
for the first time in years I have to admit that Nintendo does everything right with the next-gen (N64's failure - sticking to cartridges; Cube's failure - no DVD media)

Nintendo Revolution will be a success because:

1. the next-gen does not embrace HDTV (right decision!! the new TV standard needs at least 3-4 years to become attractive to mass market; in Europe even longer)

2. they aim for affordable prices
X360 -> 399 USD ?perhaps?
PS3 -> 499 USD ?perhaps?
Rev -> 149 USD ?perhaps?
I know it's not gonna be this price, but think of it!

3. backwards compatible
premiere: first Nintendo console to play older gamers (GC disc directly, cartridge base first party games over download).


on the other hand they will have a HUGE problem:

third party support = will shrink more
with a very different hardware platform and no HDTV the next-gen console will EVEN MORE become unattrictive for ports, especially because Nintendo franchise will rule everything.

and they have to avoid the "loser third place" image because Sony and MS "look so cool and trendy".

----

personal thought (I know Nintendo does not thing this way):

Sony and MS are fighting for "market leadership" with "multi-media-station-boxes" and huge losses.
So people will buy EITHER PS3 OR X360.
for Nintendo it's the big chance to be the "second console" (cheap, fun, zelda, mario, why-not?).

Posted by: Jim at July 29, 2005 9:37 AM

Don't forget the Bandai Satellite View for SNES, that allowed people to download games via Satellite and enjoy games like the Sega Channel. It sounded pretty good, and it had ports and updates to old games, like an update to the original Zelda, a new quest for Link to the Past, Mario Excitebike, Super Famicom Wars, and others.

Posted by: Equalix at July 29, 2005 10:55 AM

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Posted by: Jake Metcalf at July 29, 2005 8:50 PM

Jim hit the nail on the head, although Nintendo will never admit it - on the console side they seem to be striving to be the "second console" of choice, which currently is the GameCube to many gamers. I don't think Nintendo is TRYING to be number one in console sales, but they do want a piece of the pie they helped to create, and people ARE buying the hardware and the games, and having a good time and that's what Nintendo has always been about even in the pre-Game & Watch days.

Posted by: InsaneDavid at July 30, 2005 2:40 AM

whoops there goes my "LOTS OF MONES" argument... ;-)
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3142419

still Nintendo makes a good profit on hardware sales.

Posted by: Jim at July 30, 2005 9:46 AM

Hey Microsost Xbox division is STILL not making a profit.

I think that Nintendo profits are to be expected to be lower and they are still in a good position.

I agree that Nintendo might be going for a "2nd" console slot and the "kids" console slot. Also Nintendo is much more popular in Japan than the rest of the world and still commands a cult following.. like me.

Posted by: Jake of 8bitjoystick.com at July 30, 2005 10:29 AM

"I am still waiting for the Sony made CD-ROM drive for my Super Nintendo."

Uh, Sony released it as a standalone product ten years ago.

It was called the PlayStation.

Posted by: Thad Boyd at August 25, 2005 3:08 PM

No the Sony Playstation is a project that Sony did on their own after the Nintendo/Sony Super Nintendo CD-Rom fell apart after Nintendo got in bed with Philips.

Trust me I know my PlayStation history

Posted by: Jake of 8bitjoystick.com at August 25, 2005 5:58 PM

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