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Beware the Unholy Mess of Component Cables

This week I realized that my cats had screwed up my videogame AV switch boxes on the Coffee Table of Videogame Goodness by stepping on them and knocking the wires loose due to their general wildness. So I took it as a good opportunity to completely re-wire my videogames systems and get as many of my system to use as many component cables as possible. I had to buy two new multi-system component cables and another GameStop brand component switch box. I pulled all the wires out and methodically made all the connections yet again.

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The problem with adding another AV switch box is that you loose a port through atrophy on the old switch box when you have to plug the new one into it and it can devolve into a convoluted mess of wires and arrows if you don't think things through ahead of time. Also they only work with four or five systems tops and serious gamers had to do some bastard patchwork with multiple boxes to hook up your entire collection of games. BBQ knows what I am talking about. What I want is an AV switch box that can handle a dozen game systems. We can put a man on the moon but we can't make a switch box that can take over four game systems.

I took one of my old AV switch boxes and moved it over to my Bookshelf of Doom. I plugged my SNES, N64, Saturn, Genesis and PSOne into my small Standard TV on the bookshelf. Then had to update all the stick-on labels using a Sharpie and a new layer of stick-on labels on top of the old ones. My top loading NES can only connect using an RF-switch and it is my only game system hooked up that requires one. On Nintendo why couldn't you keep the AV ports on the AV Famicom when you brought it to America!??!

Once I was happy with the bookshelf systems I went back to dealing with the mess of wires sticking out on my Coffee Table of Videogame Goodness. I have my Xbox 360 and Wii on the lower main box going right to the HDTV using component cables. On top of that is my previous component switch box with the PS2, Xbox and DVD all using component and this is plugged into the third port on the lower box. The forth port on the main box has a mini AV switch box made by MadCatz plugged in to it using standard AV cables. The Dreamcast, Generation NEX an iPod Video cable is plugged into that sucker. The audio for the entire thing goes into the stereo and I tried to cram as much of the cabling it as possible under the hutch on my coffee table next to my Xbox 360 against the wall. It is an unholy mess of wires and I hope the cats stay the hell away from it but I just know they won't.

Should I ever get a PS3 or another game system using component cables I will have to buy YET ANOTHER switch box. That is reason enough right there to stay the hell away from the PS3. I am using a total of four video switch boxes but five switch boxes that is just insanity. It is a love hate relationship with gamers and their switch boxes. Don't even get me started with power cords and big ass power adapters.

Now don't get me wrong I love component cables with an HDTV as much as the next guy but since there is three cables instead of one video cable it kicks the number of cables you need to patch way up. While I am at it. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to make one of the component cables red like the red audio stereo AV jack. There was a whole rainbow of colors out there but these wizards thought it would be easier if you had TWO red cables to deal with.

So how does it all look? Things are actually a lot sharper on component cables over S-Video and standard AV. The 3d graphics look better but I was impressed at how much better it makes 2d games look. Capcom VS SNK 2 and Guilty Gear X2 were a feast for the eyes. On a 3d game it made darker things easier to see but you can see the limits of the games engine since the HDTV display can show a higher resolution.

Component cables can allow the Xboxen Uno to run games at 480P and 720P on some games if it is supported by the software. This makes Halo 2 look supa dope.

Now on the PS2 of mygames only Yakuza and Guitar Hero 2 supported progressive scan 480P but every game I tried look pretty kick ass, even if it is still 480i PS2 graphics come across looking crisp and sharp on an HDTV using component cables. However the PSOne games being played on a PS2 will not show up at all when you are using component cables.

If you are still rocking a regular TV than AV or S-video are good enough for you but if you have dropped the bling to get an HDTV than you really should not cop out and pass up component cables for your systems even if it means getting newer expensive switch boxes and unleashing an unholy mess of wires.

What the hell is wrong with me? I just wrote two pages on the wires you use to hooking up videogame systems. Even worse.. you just read it. The future is NOW!

Just think of hooking it all up as some sort of bizarre puzzle game and be sure to Hum the Tetris music while you attempt to get all the wires plugged in the right spot.

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Comments

ah, daisy chaining switch boxes.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/HappyNinja/PB050020.jpg

(doesn't show wii)

My setup has 4 switch boxes and I need another because my Wii has nothing to plug into!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/XxhennersXx/P2040262.jpg
MADNESS!

As for your bit about the AV famicom/Top Loader NES

they were both released for different reasons

The original Famicom was RF only, but more and more TV's had composite. So Nintendo released a redesigned one that had RCA jacks. (I have one as you can see in my picture)

As for the top loader NES, there were still NES games being produced in 93 when it came out and Nintendo's original NES, as you are aware of, was prone to dirty connectors. So they released a remodeled version that has a better connector. To keep costs down, they removed the RCA jacks that were on the side of the original NES because more people used the RF switch that the NES came with.

If you want your NES hooked up to your setup so that you can run the games that your Generation NEX won't run, I recommend picking up a used NES, and getting a new 72 Pin connector. You pimp Pinky G's alot and they have them there. It takes less than 5 minutes to replace and you'll love it.

And while you're at it, just get a real AV Famicom for 50 dollars at Japangamestock.com since it'll run ALL the games. I know you love your NEX and that's great and I'm just giving my recomendations.

Though Jake, really that Sega Sports Dreamcast and Generation Nex are in a dangerous position. You have cats running around? they can pull those consoles down EASILY!

I had a cat and it tried to pull down all my wires...fortunatly, if you look at the top where emy famicom/genesis/nes it has sort of a fence and the entertainment system has a back on it, the cords go through holes i drilled.

the REAL horror is when you also include the surge protectors and power cables!

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That's when it gets REALLY crazy!

I say you ditch the coffee table Jake.

Get a TV bench, same sort of thing but you won't have to play Tetris!

http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?topcategoryId=17071&catalogId=10103&storeId=12&productId=14838&langId=-1&chosenPartNumber=70045482

http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?topcategoryId=17071&catalogId=10103&storeId=12&productId=68962&langId=-1&categoryId=15962&chosenPartNumber=90086669

I used to have to use 3 of those and some other random things to house my set up...

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That's when I lived in my Parents house. Heh.

Well, I hope you can figure out a more efficient way to organize your consoles so they're safer and more pleasant looking instead of a Unholy Coffee Table of Madness!

(sorry about the messy pictures, I took them whenever I was cleaning and when I clean I basically make a huge mess first cleaning one area, then move to the next...)

Posted by: ShotgunSteve [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 1, 2007 9:06 PM

Steve just wait until you get an HDTV and some of your old game systems won't work on it. They you will have the fun of getting component switches. Oh joy! But I love my coffee table. However my GF Kymberly has been waiting to get her hands on it since it so retro and cool. You are right about the Dreamcast. I'll move it tonight. And that is not even the most up to date photo of my setup.

Posted by: Jake of 8bitjoystick.com at March 2, 2007 12:11 AM

Now about your IKEA suggestion. Say I got something like this. Well the kitties might end up wanting to hid the shelves. I dunno. I’ll have to think about it. But I could get some of those tasty IKEA meatballs!
http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?topcategoryId=17071&catalogId=10103&storeId=12&productId=11726&langId=-1&categoryId=15962&chosenPartNumber=10033463

Posted by: Jake of 8bitjoystick.com at March 2, 2007 10:24 AM

The key reason I don't have an HDTV yet is because I'm still shopping around for one where the old games work on it. There are a few out there, you just got to do a lot of research before you buy.

I'm in the market for a new entertainment center as well, i hate playing my Famicom because the controller cord goes infront of the TV, same with the NES.

Yeah your kitties might want to hide in the shelves. That's better than them behind it yanking out cables. That TV stand you linked to has a backing on it, so even if the cats get behind the TV and pull the cords, your consoles will just be unplugged. ^_^

Posted by: ShotgunSteve [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 2, 2007 12:54 PM

Actually Steve when you finally go HDTV shopping you should take your Famicom AV and/or N64 and put it in a backpack and bring it to the store. When you find an HDTV that you are interested in ask the folks there if it would be OK if you hooked up your old school game system. Let them know that you are ready to buy one but you are not going to spend money on a TV that will not work with your trusty Nintendo. When I got my HDTV I had no idea that I should even have to look out for that. It is not like they have a big “8-bit NES Compatible” sticker on the front of the HDTVs.

Hey Messiah make cordless Nes controllers. It might be cheaper than getting new furnature for you and they should work with your AV Famicom.
http://www.playmessiah.com/products/nex-wc.htm

Posted by: Jake of 8bitjoystick.com at March 2, 2007 1:43 PM

I have one of those plug and play Street Fighter 2 Sega Genesis's that I bring with me when I go HDTV shopping. That was part of my research I was talking about, heh heh.

I tried the wireless NES controllers...they're...not that great. :( they feel kinda funcky, mostly the start and select not being an...actual button and I don't like the Dpad. And I don't like the angle of the buttons. 16 years of playing Super Mario Bros with a and b horizontal is a hard habit to kick with your muscle memory.

I use American NES controllers since the AV Famicom wire is about a foot long (because Japanese houses are so cramped) I might buy those controllers just to mod into a normal NES casing...

Posted by: ShotgunSteve [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 2, 2007 11:00 PM

however, their wireless bootleg NES Advantage looks MIGHTY tempting. But I just spent 100+ dollars on Famicom stuff x_X and with Sakuracon around the corner, and something else I forget atm that I plan on buying...

Posted by: ShotgunSteve [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 2, 2007 11:04 PM

I thought the NES had Composite video out? I know I saw it on there when I had mine, it wasn't top loading though...


Also Yakuza supports 480p? Why can't I enable it then?

Posted by: Zac at March 3, 2007 11:55 AM

Zac the original NES had standard AV jacks also known as RCA jacks. That is good for the time but it is not Composite that is modern tech made just for HDTV.

I think it is in the Video options but you have to have composite cables on an HDTV.

Posted by: Jacob Metcalf [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 3, 2007 8:46 PM

Oh. My. That setup is from HEAVEN. Someday, I may call on you to ask you to set up my system. It looks like the cables are eating it.

Posted by: Muser at March 4, 2007 11:15 AM

Composite is far from modern, thats the yellow jack which has all the video data crammed down it. Component is what is used for HDTV.

Both of them use RCA jacks, just in a different way.

So they removed the Composite out from the NES? Sounds like what they did to the Gamecube..

Posted by: Zac at March 4, 2007 11:50 AM

Zac you are getting Composite confused with RCA AV cables. They look the same but Composite has three cables for the video but RCA AV (Like what the Nes had) only has one for the video

Posted by: Jake of 8bitjoystick.com at March 4, 2007 1:47 PM

Posted by: Zac at March 4, 2007 2:47 PM

I hit post to early, sorry for the double post.
Component and Composite both use the same type of jack just in a different way, now I could explain it but I would probably get some of it wrong and you could just look it up if you wanted to know about it.

Anyway what I ment by "sounds like what they did to the gamecube" is that they both have there superior video outputs for the system removed. (NES had composite which is much better then RF and GC had the digital out removed.

Which brings another question, will they stop production of the component cables for the Wii sometime? However at least third party companys can produce component cables now, most of them are awful though.

I've been threw 3 different ones for the original x box and all have been awful. I just can't seem to find the official one anywhere :(

Posted by: Zac at March 4, 2007 2:56 PM

I thought RCA cables WERE composite o_O I always just call them either ones, composite or RCA jacks.

But Zac, yeah they removed the RCA jacks from the Toploading NES. Even worse, the RF output is worse on it than on the original NES. Which is why, as cool as it is to have a top loader since it's a hard to find item, I stick with the good ol' toaster. ^_^ With a new 72 pin and the 10NES lockout chip disabled of course (just remove pin 4 on it! haha!)

Who's set up is heaven? Jakes or mine?

Jake, what's in those bins behind your set up? Your controllers? I keep mine in ithat little cubby underneath the tv, and my memory cards in the holders in the game cases. Since I play imports also I got american flag and japanese flag stickers so i don't accidentally format game saves! I got'em by asking at pink godzilla. ^_^

Posted by: ShotgunSteve [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 4, 2007 6:37 PM

Hi, just found this website while looking for info on how to hook up a PSone to an HDTV through component cables (no luck so far...), and saw that you're using manual switchboxes. Philips makes an awesome switchbox for $20 that automatically switches up to 4 devices, and you can daisy chain them, and never have to worry about pushing buttons again! I've got my PS1, Dreamcast, Gamecube, and Saturn hooked up to one right now, and it works great. Whichever system is turned on gets automatically switched to. Only downside is that I've only seen them on sale at Walmart, and that it only handles S-Video/Composite, although to make up for that it does have Coax out, and will act as an RCA/RF adapter in a pinch.

Posted by: Shawn at March 4, 2007 10:46 PM

Dude all those systems are sweet! Its a shame the NES cant use the component cables too. One thing you may want to look for, is that back in the day Pelican made a self powered switcher that held up to at least 8 systems. The thing was a lot bigger, but it was pretty sweet.

Also I've been playing these free games lately on the PC. Theyre pretty cool and free for some reason I'm not sure about. Fun FPS stuff based on the Source Engine Check it out if you can at http://www.kumagames.com

Posted by: elektrokuter [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 6, 2007 8:59 AM

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